After that he was retconned to a far less powerful cosmic cube. For reference Pre-Retcon Beyonder is stronger than the Infinity Gauntlet by leaps and bounds but a Cosmic Cube is stated and shown to be vastly inferior to the Infinity Gauntlet. #2. Beyonder was everything outisde the Multi-verse. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with kamehameha. In The Complete Secret Wars #3, Pre-Retcon Beyonder opined that Stephan Strange is stronger than any in the multiverse suspect and had the opportunity to seal him in a pocket dimension ridding the multiverse of him forever. Forum Posts. Supermanthor. Round 2: All-Mighty vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Beyonder (Earth-616)/Quotes Category page. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. The omnipotent Beyonder is on a destructive rampage and has decided to destroy the entire Marvel omniverse. 1. FIRST COSMOS. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. It will take a signifigant effort to kill the Phoenix Force, Just like Death, but he will do it. A common misconception about HoTU is that it's omnipotent or a fraction of TOAA's power, multiversal and some stuff of the like, the only indicator for this is that thanos absorbed LT during his fight, in terms of power, HoTU isn't a lot more impressive than the IG for an example. #38 JayBlack. I don't think that Pre-retcon Beyonder in pic but. Dude’s absolutely broken. No prep. ago. The Soruce(DC) 5. In Lucifer DC Multiverse is not just infinite dimensional but also existing in multiple existence as seen in his conversation with Presence. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube (Because part of the power was in Owen Reece) Recent Retcon Beyonder < the marvel abstracts but not by much. Pre Retcon Beyonder is TOAA of a world much much larger than Marvel Multiverse. This fight takes place in a neutral space and either party wants to kill the other. loveNwar. #28 ovy7. The same exact way Presence is the Supreme Being of the DC Multiverse. Pre retcon beyonder was absolutely omnipotent, the equal of the one above all. Who Is Strongest || Pre Retcon Beyonder vs Hajun#whoisstrongest#shorts#marvel#marvelcomics#marvelstudios#dc#dccomics#dceu#lucifer#beyonder#viralshorts#anime#. Since the Chaos Gods have no way to kill him, he'll eventually win. Round 1: All-Mighty vs True Form Oblivion. Beyonder's best feat is defeating a multiverse level entity, the Living Tribunal, which was a big deal. 8. Been done here on the vine. Just because Beyonder, originally wasnt from marvel multiverse doesnt mean that Beyonder isnt a marvel character, because he is. ) along with the Great Houses of Gallifrey (A. 0. Post-retcon: The planet or localized area of space is his plaything. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. #11. Franklin Richards(full control of his powers) All the celestials. @rabumalal: Dream would probably solo LT hes near pre-retcon beyonder level at best read into his feats. Team 2 = Fusion mode. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. 9 years ago. First is the. Word Lords, the Celestis, Faction Paradox, etc. Thanos wins this. Thanos wins this. Conditions of the battle: *Composite Time Lords will include variants of the Time Lords from the Expanded Doctor Who Universe (e. Jmarshmallow. The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. There is literally nothing that OPM could do to even affect him. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. Inbetweener. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is honestly far less impressive than Molecule man, at least current molecule man. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. A Beyonder easily ripping off Thor's arm. " lord marvel is said to be omnipotent and he can get smacked up. 9 K. Sylvester Stallone, Jason Staham, Bruce Willis, Van Damme, Vin Diesel and Chuck Norris start fighting each other. Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective. No prep and no knowledge. @baron_von_santa: Doubt it, Pre-Retcon beyonder was supposed to be the ToAA of another reality but was later retconned into the "Cosmic Cube" crap. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. Followers. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. DC_Marvel_1000. Follow 2882. Jackalinthebox said: I thought pre-retcon Beyonder was closer in power to Lucifer & Michael, rather than the Presence. New comments cannot be posted. Seriously at his peak height, Pre Retcon Beyonder was. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. @Ziro: Pre-Retcon Beyonder got his powers taken away by Dr. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. The Beyonder is a cosmic being of immense power, often labelled as omnipotent during the issues of Secret Wars, and much stronger than all the other cosmic entities. 0. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. The Beyonder asks Molecule Man a question and doesn’t know if he can sacrifice Dave. All indications are that. Kingant27. Ho…Note: While the Beyonder's existence is often divided between "pre-retcon" and "post-retcon" in relation to the original Secret Wars, this is not entirely accurate. He is. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Dream of the Endless unable to stop Barbatos, who like Mxyzptlk, will steamroll Beyonder and Molecule Man without even trying. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)PennywiseThe Crimson King. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's. 8 years ago. Beyonder Pré-Retcon foi uma das Entidades mais poderosas da #Marvel, ficando até mesmo acima do Tribunal Vivo, ele é bem conhecido por ter criado a Saga Guer. I will need to have cited evidence for. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. 14 years ago. Victory conditions: for the beyonder it is to destroy the entire race of time lords, for the time lords it is killing or making the beyonder surrender. He toke on beyonder and was stated to be LT's superior MM did say that he had become a component of great power, but not quite up. Wiki Points. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. I would take the race of the Beyonders against the race. If this is pre retcon then beyonder. remember wanda during HOM rewrote/destroyed 98 percent of the multiverse. 14 years ago. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. In 1985, before any changes were made to the story, The Beyonder was a. KuRuPT Thanosi. Both are in character. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Pre-Retcon Beyonder/Classic Beyonder-As a result of being the entirety of a dimension of far more scope than our own multiverse, he was more powerful than all of the rest of reality (he was. Period. Pre-Retcon Beyonder/Classic Beyonder-As a result of being the entirety of a dimension of far more scope than our own multiverse, he was more powerful than all of the rest of reality (he was. Pre-retcon: The universe was his plaything. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Beyonder S T O M P S. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. (616)Spider-Man with the powers of the beyonder vs these verses. . The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is ery powerful, but not powerful enough to beat the one above all. Followers. " Uhhh, yes it does. Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube (Because part of the power was in Owen Reece) Recent Retcon Beyonder < the marvel abstracts but not by much. Pre Retcon Beyonder shitstomps the edgelord version of Batman into the ground, along with the rest of the DCverse. I mean it would be awesome to see Beyonder whip his ass with ease but I mean, poor Anti-Monitor, he was an evil bastard but he did not deserve this. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. No matter how you interpret the effects of the Retcon, Beyonder can no longer be stated to be above Authorial fiat. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is honestly far less impressive than Molecule man, at least current molecule man. Pre Retcon Beyonder vs Dr Doom. A powerful alien supervillain and master of all reality, Beyonder manipulated Loki Laufeyson (not realizing it was in fact Loki who manipulated him) into telling him of Earth's existence. Pre-Retcon Beyonder, represented by Amendment50 Elder God Demonbane, represented by God_Vulcan PLEASE VOTE FOR WHOEVER YOU THINK DEBATED THE BEST, NOT WHICH CHARACTER. Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Darkest Knight Round 3: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Cosmic Armor Superman Round 4: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs The Empty Hand Round 5: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs all of them This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted. He's was designed by Jim Shooter to be a catch-all explanation for the existence of all the other fiction. The Beyonder doesn’t know what the abstracts will say. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. If this is pre retcon then beyonder. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. He was the TOAA of own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse before he came across the. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Originally posted by Endless Mike Not as powerful as Squirrel Girl Isn't SG like tied with TOAA in power or something? She stomps all of fiction at the same time, and does it repeatedly over and over again. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. The Soruce(DC) 5. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse . Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. Both are Omnipotent Supreme Beings but PRB was God to something larger than. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . Batman with prep vs Beyonder. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Regulator Thanos wins, both these characters are above LT in power scope, however the HOTU. Problem is pre retcon Beyonder is just. Cosmic armor supes needs a downgrade soon. Spectre. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. The Beyonder was also stated to be "Beyond the Marvel Multiverse/Omniverse" which means that, he was beyond "Infinite-Dimensions" or "Trans-Infinity". Even if that IG (which was a modern variant which has barely any universal feats) was the multiversal one it was during the Infinity Gauntlet saga, it would still not be enough to match pre retcon Beholder. Like, guys, just focus on like a planetary thing or even a system wide thing. The events of Secret Wars I and II were not removed from canon, what changed was the Beyonder's relationship with the other cosmic entities. the beyonder is literally the embodiment of a universe which dwarfs the mainstream multiverse, so he can do the same thing for the multiverse, but not all of marvel (since marvel is an omniverse. Sign in to edit View history Talk (0) List of all notable quotes by or about Beyonder (Earth-616). Follow 1963. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. Do not make any Thanos with HOTU vs threads. 3 years ago. . Join this channel to get access to perks:…The Beyonder was an impossibly powerful being who held the Secret Wars, essentially kidnapping a whole bunch of heroes and villains and making them fight for his. The One Above All. bigbran. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. so the Doomslayer stomps. He would erase him from existence. (God) 2. Round 2 is just silly, because neither of those characters would be ANY help to Superman, much less to Beyonder. Both sides are in character but determined to win. PR Beyonder is way beyond than Thanos with IG. PRE-RETCON BEYONDER? All of them are BLOODLUSTED! TOAA is the special referee! DB universe characters start at their maximum power and are already at their most powerful form! 14 years ago. 1. Aetherius is a larger infinity than Oblivio and encompasses its entirety, existing as a static realm of pure Anuic Light where all things exist in pure, timeless harmony. If he can beat beyonder, he wins 10/10 because he would know the correct path in every timeline, which he exists in, because he is omnipresent. As you can see in the marvel hierarchy the one above all is at the very top. Forum Posts. . Thanos Hotu and Great Evil Beast 49%. Thanos w IG and heart of the universePre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. But Pre-Retcon Beyonder was around during 1985 during secret wars; making this databook not applicable to the Beyonder on the post. who universe. 1. Archived post. This is PRE-Retcon Beyonder, you know, before LT could do shit to him and pulled out that asswipe explanation. Originally posted by the Darkone Spectre at full powered is above the pre-recon beyonder, Spectre is powered by God, I'm sorry that's one Ace even the pre-recon Beyonder can't overcome. He needed to use his entire power to kill mistress death which left. And post retcon… well Peter Parker had his power for one billionth of a second a rewrote all of reality. Morals are on for Shuma. 2. The Beyonder is a fictional cosmic entity appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Who is pre Retcon beyonder? Summary. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Living tribunal. Maybe I have used faulty logic regarding this. . no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Beyonder even realized he was the Pre-Retcon one too lol Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him, tailor made for Loki and proven when he and Sylvie enchanted Alioth, who. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created an earthquake throughout the city), Attack Reflection (Deflected Magneto's power beam towards the X-Men), Magnetism Manipulation (Repelled Magneto by duplicating his own magnetic. 2. Hesperus 25 d . @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. R2: God stomps. reality equals his thoughts. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. Beyonder uses his prep to observe Doom preparing,. 4 years ago. Due to sun wukong's absolute transcendence to buddhahood. Doctor strange opens one in front and back. The beyonder is under him. At the time of the Secret Wars he was stated as being equal to the One Above All. Rememeber he is a CONCEPT who wields power enough for him to create and destroy 60 billion. COIE Anti Monitor. He wins. Tdk banished the Great Darkness from Barbatos, and took over the Dark multiverse, Barbatos is just a small avatar of the Great Darkness. Marvel's Multiverse was not using Type III Multiversal Expansion. Neutral. 14 years ago. He. @Ziro: Pre-Retcon Beyonder got his powers taken away by Dr. Pre-Retcon Beyonder ruins them casually. So logically the Beyonder at full power can defeat Galactus at full power. the_doctor. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. Jack Kline can’t do shit. WF Mxy vs Pre Retcon Beyonder is basically picking which company you like more : DC or Marvel. ago. THe nature and effects of the Retcon are irrelevant. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. Adptive armor isnt doing a thing for him here just as much as it helped against. I can only speak of Pre-Retcon Beyonder since that is who I am familiar with, but pre-Retcon Beyonder was explicitly a being outside of the Marvel totality. deactivated-5d45fd7ce1a16. Scarlet King (SCP) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder and Pre-Retcon Molecule Man (Marvel) R2:The scarlet demon, WOW I am speechless. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Round 5: All-Mighty vs The entire Marvel verse. 0. #13 AgentofChaos1. -5. 7. . Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. Pre Retcon Beyonder. Also, I should mention that they are probably re-retconning him to his previous levels soon. CsmicRanker1314 1. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. He represented everything outside the Marvel Universe, while TOAA represents MU. The beyonder is accordingy to comic book guys a 5th tier cosmic. Beyonder Spider-Man vs Naruto, MHA, Bleach, One Piece, Magi, Umineko, Sailor Moon and Saint Seiya verses. Follow 1712. The Beyonder is bloodlusted. The Beyonder realm might be a million times bigger than the entire Marvel Multiverse combined but in the end it's still part of the larger multiverse. 3. You do realize Pre-Retcon Beyonder is like, the second or third most powerful comic book character ever, while Anti-Monitor wouldn't even be in the Top 10. Isn't that pre retcon beyonder? post retcon last i can remember was way weaker than pre retcon beyonder and Fu walks around from High hyperversal to Outerversal. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. Assuming the several dimensions to be universes isn't something streched considering the PRB power. Current version of the Beyonder (sentient cosmic cube, NOT the. Then there the Beyonder Child unit thing that is related to The beyonders. 13 years. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. Master/Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Galeem/Dharkon. "No other force or power in existence could. @kingant27: nah, I actually do not think Michael can beat pre retcon beyonder, and Michael is far more powerful than lucifer who is equal to LT and can only win by manipulation. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. Round 1: CAS vs. • 3 yr. #2. Beyonder stomp beyond comprehension. Followers. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. Yes I'am aware of that but you to remeber that with the Inhuman Beyonder was that this retcon took him back to his Pre-Retcon roots and also everything Pre-Retcon Beyonder did is still cannon to. But it wont be easy by no means. Since the Chaos Gods have no way to kill him, he'll eventually win. Locked post. 5 years ago. And yeah he stomps. Seriously at his peak height, Pre Retcon Beyonder was something that no current DC character could handle. Learn about his origin, power, and feats in this article. PR Beyonder curbstomps. Pre-Ret MM having abstracts such as LT and Eternity beg him to fight Beyonder implies he's one incredibly powerful dude. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. Beyonder 39%. Most being have failed, and only two holds the hope of all creation. Pretty sure he can't do shit to The Presence lol & there's also Lucy & Michael there. Only if the Beyonder is in his realm, but that becomes a major stomp based on whats said here. Pre retcon Beyonder seems omnipotent inside the marvel multiverse because its like comparing a dinosaur to a bunch of ants. The entire Watcher. The Beyonders who are attacking the multiverse are beings that live in the beyond, which most likely is either outside the multiverse, or be void between universes. All proof that is needed is the fact that he is beyond the marvel multiverse. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. 4 years ago #3. Pre Retcon Beyonder is far far beyond any of his other forms. #1 Edited By LightningGod67. No Prep. Thanos wins them all unless its Thanos vs OAA. Supposedly it is equal but opposite to the Presence. And with this analogy, Alovenus/Ruphas can create L1A character A in fiction A, But can easily defeated By character B In fiction B. The. Thanks!!!!!In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. 7 K. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. One Universe of a difference. 2. FIRST COSMOS. A. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. DONATE TO SUPPORT THE CHANNEL! Put a message with your donation so I know your request if your donation is for a request tier. -Everyone full powers. The Tree of Knowledge alone contains infinite multiverses and aleph infinities and The Scarlet King could effortlessly destroy it. " Yep this is a pretty easy win for Frank 14 years ago. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is far. Doomslayer can beat 69420 trillion Master Chiefs and has literally indestructible armor he stomps. All reality was a dream created by Beyonder. #1. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Beyonder, spite as usual with beyonder. Jim Shooter who was the editor at Marvel at the time said so and the Beyonder himself said so. HOM wanda. Forum Posts. Even if we insanely highball Spectre to be equal to the Living Tribunal (which, as powerful as he is, he clearly is. So there are 2 feats for HoTU that need to get debunked. However personally i believe the Overvoid, which is the source of Cosmic Armour Supermans power, is superior to the Beyonder Realm. How the fuck does a "millions of times stronger than the multiverse" Beyonder become. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive battle between many of the mainstream. you speak nonsense earth boy. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. FollowRound 5: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man vs God Emperor Doom Round 6:Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God Emperor Doom Bonus Round: Protege vs God Emperor Doom This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A GregLeagueGamingAlt •. 1 year ago. #1 Thanatic. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. Beyonder has way more hax, the Glory is literally non-sentient, and Beyonder has an extreme AP advantage, seeing as the Glory is only possibly baseline High 1-B, and Beyonder is well over 10,000,000 times more powerful than almost every High 1-B in Marvel. 3 years ago. u/nullfather can attest to that. If you can think about beating TOAA, Beyonder can do that. So the information given is contradictory as a Cosmic Cube can't do what the Beyonder did but he canonically does those things. The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. Originally, the Marvel Comics' character known as The Beyonder, as portrayed during Jim Shooter's Secret Wars duology, as a nearly all-powerful entity. Living Tribunal >>>>>Pre-Retcon Beyonder>>>>>White crown phoenix "and yet Phoenix Rachel shocked the Beyonder. DONATE TO SUPPORT THE CHANNEL! Put a message with your donation so I know your request if your donation is for a request tier. deactivated-5b3daad020468. -Protege copied Beyonder powers. As I said I'm not intimately familiar with pre retcon beyonder or even marvel comics overall. Jul 2, 2016. 0. vs. 2. He may have to resort to starving them out by erasing humanity though. 103. According to that one guy Anos could do it,.